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Dan Hunter
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on: December 31, 2012, 00:52
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Just my two cents worth here.A lot of D.C. anti gun law makers and media are saying where do we get the 5 billion dollars to protect our children.They seem to not want more guns in school because that may be a issue.They dont want to protect life when it comes to money except their own.On the other hand they have no problems sending billions of dollars over seas every year to fund abortions in another words taking life.I am in shock that nobody in the media has dropped this stink bomb am i nuts or just thinking outside the box. I would think spending money to save life instead of taking it would be a easy choice.

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on: December 31, 2012, 08:42
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Dan, you are using common sense and thinking for yourself, STOP IT!!! Thats not allowed in America anymore, didn't you see the newscast?

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on: December 31, 2012, 11:30
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@carl blind in one eye and cant see out of the other.

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on: December 31, 2012, 19:10
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The government could certainly use moneys not being sent to "green" businesses. Oops, they already spent that. I did hear that Nixa now has armed off duty police officers at their schools but I don't know how Nixa is paying for them.

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on: January 7, 2013, 14:08
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Quote from Dan Hunter on December 31, 2012, 00:52
Just my two cents worth here.A lot of D.C. anti gun law makers and media are saying where do we get the 5 billion dollars to protect our children.They seem to not want more guns in school because that may be a issue.They dont want to protect life when it comes to money except their own.On the other hand they have no problems sending billions of dollars over seas every year to fund abortions in another words taking life.I am in shock that nobody in the media has dropped this stink bomb am i nuts or just thinking outside the box. I would think spending money to save life instead of taking it would be a easy choice.

Dan, the numbers are hovering around $50,000 per armed security that is added to each school and I've illustrated to several folks already by using Resource Officers currently staffing the R12 schools that the response time may be just as bad as that of local PD. Worse still is you're asking them to be bullet shields which raises the question of the quality of person that does this kind of job and just how nuts they might actually be. This is why it's been suggested by many that we get veterans who cannot find work brought into the mix. They're already trained, so they shouldn't need a lot of buffing up to get them up to speed.

But, what is the administration going to let them do per policy...that's the question. If they tie their hands like our military has had done to them then the result will be more of the same until one stands on the wall and says, "Not today, not on MY watch!"

The easiest and cheapest means of creating safer classrooms is to allow the teachers, administrators, and staffers to be armed in the schools. That doesn't mean force them, but rather give them the choice and then don't ask questions....concealed is concealed so keep it that way. The roadblock is that they don't want teachers armed in the classroom. Why?

My first response is likely that they administrators are far too busying pissing the teachers off.
Another would be that they're Union members, guns + Union attitudes, do the math of the possibilities they jump to.
Another is that a teacher might use it on a student. So what, if it was justified it was justified, train them to understand what is justified and what isn't. You can bet the thuggish bullies that try to push teachers around and attack them might think twice with the potential that a teacher might be able to provide an armed response.

Matt has offered a package deal for teachers: CCW + 4 hour practical pistol course for just $37.50 through the end of January. (applies to Saturday courses for CCW)
I've dropped the price of my armed and unarmed Defensive Tactics courses to just $35 for teachers, admin, and staffers. I'm even willing to group train in the schools IF the admin will invite me.

After all, if you can't immediately get to your firearm for whatever reason or if your admin says NO to firearms, then you need another option. The most dangerous time for an active shooter scenario is FIRST CONTACT! Not a single program promoted at the State, County, or municipal levels addresses the first contact situation unless it involves an armed response option. I even offered to prove that failure to SPD on their ALICE program and my offer was refused.

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on: January 7, 2013, 18:50
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One of the issues that affect school administrations has to be liability and insurance costs. We faced this when our church insurance carrier found out we had instituted concealed carry during our services and FREAKED OUT.

We overcame this by getting the agent, the underwriter and Matt Canovi together and working up a specific training program for all the security team who carry, so its not an insurmountable obstacle, but I can promise it affects the consideration process.

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on: January 14, 2013, 11:02
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Sadly, most of those insurance companies don't have a clue what is in the law in many States that protects a defender from a lawsuit. The big question I could see coming up is as an "entity" if the individual is protected at the State level for justified use of force, is the "entity" also protected for simply allowing someone to carry in accordance with State law. If not, then we need an immediate law change.

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